Donnie Kiefer in NC has been doing this for a long time. Not a lot different than a pre-snap Tampa 2 vs. 2x2. Beat the famous Bobby Bentley's offense in the 2005 NC/SC Shrine Bowl using the same concept out of a 3-4 look. Level coverage, all secondary at 7 yards. I coached on the defensive side of the ball for him that year. It was really simple for the kids but gave Bentley's QB's a fit trying to find accurate pre snap reads. We played cover 2, cover 3, cover 0, cover 4 and combos's out of the same pre snap look. Good stuf.
We run the spread and played 4 teams last year that ran this type of 4-2 and 2 that ran a 3-3 version. Our lowest point total of the year was 39 points. Most games were over 45 points. If you are teaching your safeties to run cover 2/ Tampa/ deep 3rds/ man etc all from 7 yards any athletic wr who knows how to stem routes will have the advantage. The scheme is irrelevant. It is how you teach the game and how you prepare yourself and your players
Great comments and video discussion. There is a Brian Billick interview of Giants DC Perry Fewell and he shows how simple his defensive system is, in terms of fitting the run front to maintain gap integrity, and for accelerating base coverage. Their linebackers always fit to the three tech in a way that allows them to drive on the ball after reaching a landmark. Ends up being a lot like your presnap read, after the snap, for those players, and easily transitions to a nickle front for 4-2. If two backers can maintain the front fit vs. the spread run then it leaves five players to line up exactly like you discuss, before the QB read can occur. Last guy with the chalk and Justin Tuck wins. ~Mr.M
Coach Raley you old scalawag! It is good to see you! (even if it is via video) I have run this defense for 3 years now at Foundation Academy (after leaving CFCA) as a DC the past 3 years. We have had great success using it to deal with the multiplicity of offenses we see from week to week. I am going to get back to the offensive side of the ball ASAP (next year). Coach Fort
Coach Fort, wow, great blog (http://qb-4-life.blogspot.com/) just found it. Coach Raley wanted me to give you his email address if you could contact him. It is battleaxbill@yahoo.com.
Donnie Kiefer in NC has been doing this for a long time. Not a lot different than a pre-snap Tampa 2 vs. 2x2. Beat the famous Bobby Bentley's offense in the 2005 NC/SC Shrine Bowl using the same concept out of a 3-4 look. Level coverage, all secondary at 7 yards. I coached on the defensive side of the ball for him that year. It was really simple for the kids but gave Bentley's QB's a fit trying to find accurate pre snap reads. We played cover 2, cover 3, cover 0, cover 4 and combos's out of the same pre snap look. Good stuf.
ReplyDeleteYou can do the same thing out of a 3-3. any 6 man box is going to have the same capabilities.
ReplyDeleteMan this is some great info
ReplyDeleteRan this against a run and shoot team 3 years ago - held them to 7 points...
ReplyDeleteShowed a 3/3 an a 4/2 front - brought anywhere from 3-6 per play while maintaining zone behind it...
ran a million coverages behind it so as to mess with their seam reads...
We run the spread and played 4 teams last year that ran this type of 4-2 and 2 that ran a 3-3 version. Our lowest point total of the year was 39 points. Most games were over 45 points. If you are teaching your safeties to run cover 2/ Tampa/ deep 3rds/ man etc all from 7 yards any athletic wr who knows how to stem routes will have the advantage. The scheme is irrelevant. It is how you teach the game and how you prepare yourself and your players
ReplyDeleteGreat comments and video discussion. There is a Brian Billick interview of Giants DC Perry Fewell and he shows how simple his defensive system is, in terms of fitting the run front to maintain gap integrity, and for accelerating base coverage. Their linebackers always fit to the three tech in a way that allows them to drive on the ball after reaching a landmark. Ends up being a lot like your presnap read, after the snap, for those players, and easily transitions to a nickle front for 4-2. If two backers can maintain the front fit vs. the spread run then it leaves five players to line up exactly like you discuss, before the QB read can occur. Last guy with the chalk and Justin Tuck wins. ~Mr.M
ReplyDeleteCoach Raley you old scalawag! It is good to see you! (even if it is via video)
ReplyDeleteI have run this defense for 3 years now at Foundation Academy (after leaving CFCA) as a DC the past 3 years. We have had great success using it to deal with the multiplicity of offenses we see from week to week.
I am going to get back to the offensive side of the ball ASAP (next year).
Coach Fort
Coach Fort, wow, great blog (http://qb-4-life.blogspot.com/) just found it. Coach Raley wanted me to give you his email address if you could contact him. It is battleaxbill@yahoo.com.
ReplyDeleteHey coach, I'm enjoying your blog, well done! Do you have email we can connect? Keep it up!
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Guess I need to put my info back up on the site. My email is: gunrun73@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteThis defense has only given up 6 points since we implimented it in July of 2012. Yes, only 6 points total for two seasons!
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